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« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2007, 12:29:22 AM »

Review of King of Kong  (opinions expressed are those of the author)

I went to see this movie with an open neutral mind.  Tried to avoid thinking about all the hearsay and commotion surrounding the flick...

...Scenes began to appear staged, actors where asked to perhaps perform or repeat things that were missed on camera.  It started having a reality show feeling where the seriousness of a true documentary was lost.  Facts were tossed aside, flat out ignored, or totally flipped around.  But of course they need to keep viewers entertained, and certainly succeeded in this regard.

...Billy unnecessarily sent two tapes to Funspot for public viewing.  The one shown while Wiebe was playing was somewhat disturbing as portrayed.  It appears that Billy had another tape overnighted to smother the excitement of Steve's new WR performed in public earlier.  I believe the delivery and presentation of the 2nd tape (in the white package) as shown was not accurate at all -- a handoff to Robert at, and incorrectly noted, Brian Kuh's cabin -- huh?

...The movie lost even more creditability near the end with the 4 days of Pompano Beach footage which I was present for taping.  Steve Sanders was another and it should be noted and will deservedly take some heat for things he said, or rather should not have.  He's not the only gamer to come clean from cheating.  I found one comment particularly offensive directed at Steve Wiebe and Mark Alpiger.  Were you guys really unwelcome guests at Ricky's???  This restaurant scene another factual location/time/sequence error (called a Luncheon).

What I did not like about the movie was the slick video AND AUDIO editing.  Words were inserted into people's interviews.  Sentences were chopped off.  Those verbal phrases were rearranged and inter-twined with other people comments to create drama. Several times voice overs were used when lips were not moving.  Speech substitutions (e.g. Steve's young daughter asking questions like a seasoned teenager), irrelevant one-way conversions with people the get across a certain message or build-up the story, etc.

In summary, I saw no character assassinations.  I knew just about everyone in the movie and they were presented faithfully as I see them and relate to them in person.  Yes, Billy is a cocky, self-serving, control-freak while Steve comes across as a humble, sensitive, family-type guy.  I found it interesting that some people would be shown on screen and immediately get laughs from the audience.  Greg Bond and Perry Rodgers come to mind.  So yes there was some laughter at the expense of gamers we all know.  Mark's dumpster clip is not there.  Dwayne appears twice, at two different venues.  Many interviews did not make it.  Lots of footage is on the cutting floor.

IN THE END, WE GOT DUPED!!!!  It was supposed to be a documentary about high level gamers trying to break World Records. 

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I'll have to see the movie to see if I notice things that appear to be staged, but I will say that, personally, I never witnessed any staging, nor was I asked to 'redo' or 'stage' anything.  Also, I was never told what to say in any way.  Of course, that doesn't mean that this was the case for others.

In case anyone is wondering, I was around for (I think) most all of the 'gamer gathering' coverage that likely appears in the movie.  Specifically, I'm speaking of Funspot 2005, CE 2005, and Pompano Beach, Florida 2006.

I don't know the whole story on the tape(s) at FS 2005, but I understood that there was just one, and I think the intent was for it to just be viewed in private by TG associates and friends.  But when Steve made the 985K wr in person (just after 11 PM Friday during 'Funspot weekend'), my understanding was that the plan changed, and Billy wanted it / allowed it to be shown the next evening (check the chronology on my usual detailed picture coverage, here).  I think Steve was playing much of Saturday afternoon, and on into the evening, trying to get a million-point game, and someone told me that an idea was floated to put the monitor showing Billy's tape playback on top of the Donkey Kong machine, while he was at it !  Needless to say, that would have been a very bad call, and one person in particular (non-TG, BTW) apparently 'went ape' over it, and now ostracizes a certain TG associate.

If the movie shows the overnight idea for the tape, it's definitely making up things, as (again) Steve made the score very late on Friday, and all shipment places were closed hours earlier, making it impossible to 'overnight' a tape for arrival the next day, when the tape was played.  In any case, after it was played, Walter announced that anyone (including Steve Wiebe) could take advantage of an offer from Billy - up until 4 PM Sunday, there would be a $1,000 bounty for anyone (read: Steve) topping one million points, and a $10,000 offer for anyone (read: Steve) topping Billy's newly shown mark.   Not to diverge, but, something that never really occurred to me was said to me by the same source that relayed the attempted monitor debacle.  He said that both playing the tape, and the offer, was in kind of poor taste, as it seemed like it was an attempt to take the limelight away from Steve's record.  Since I don't care much for DK, the thot never crossed my mind, but, the more I've thot about it since then, the more I agree that it was actually kind of poor; at the very least, it was poor in how it was timed.  And, we must note, the same thing has happened again recently, timing-wise; a tape with a higher score than Steve's is revealed after Steve's made a mark, and then a $10K offer for beating the revealed score is made.  Hmmmm... history repeats itself.

OK, back to Pat's review.  So, apparently the tape situation was depicted inaccurately.  You also next note another inaccuracy, about the gathering at Billy's restaurant.  As you say, it wasn't a luncheon; it really occurred at around 5 PM (give or take).  Actually, I'm not sure that this error, and even the one with the tape, is that terrible (as far as how much it matters to the main story), tho it does speak poorly as to the efforts to portray things correctly.  Frankly, I'm more concerned if (as reported) things are slanted unfairly against Billy / TG.

I'll have to see the part with Steve Sander's comment about Steve W. and I to comment on specifics.  I will say that we were not unwelcome (to my knowledge).  My understanding is that everyone was going to Ricky's to eat dinner, and while Billy was not necessarily going to be there, the expectation was that he would show.  Anyway, I had heard elsewhere that Steve and I were said to be sitting at another table because we were not wanted to be a part of the group.  In fact, what happened was (and, I forget exactly why) that Steve and I were two of the last gamers left at the gameroom, probably because we were still involved in gaming activities - I frankly forget specifically what, now.  Anyway, I knew most everyone else had left, so I finally got ready to go, and then Ed and a camera guy said they needed a ride, I think because Seth had their vehicle.  Of course, Steve needed a lift too, so they asked if I could take all of them, and I of course said yes.  When we got there, the main table was filled, and the only place to sit was in an adjacent booth, so that's where Steve and I sat.  Pretty simple.  I'll have to see exactly how it was played out in the movie.

I can report that Billy showed up about an hour after we arrived, and when he approached where we were sitting, Steve initiated an apology of sorts, saying that he was sorry that things were in such turmoil, with all the controversies, but that he had nothing but respect and admiration for Billy (I'm paraphrasing, of course, but this is accurate).  I didn't want to eavesdrop, so I kind of faded back from them, to give them a little privacy, even tho lots of people were still close by.

As a hilarious aside, when Billy and Steve had their short conversation, I had Billy sign my book (as did his fabulous kids, who were really great, and funny too), and I mentioned that I hadn't seen him since the January '85 'Captain Video' contest (see here).  He said that he remembered me complaining about the size of my shirt, which I indeed did !  I was even smaller in size back then, and the damn thing was a dress, literally, on me, with its XL size.  Anyway, that's what Billy remembered about me, from 21 years earlier !  Well, I'll use the notation as an excuse to put up a pic, and the full set from Florida should (finally) be up in the next few months.  Check it out:




OK, I diverged again.  Sorry, Pat.  Now, if there was sound dubbing, voice additions, and the like, that's pretty outrageous.  I'll look out for those when I view the film.  If they happened with frequency, then calling it a documentary is a farce.

I'm glad that there are no character assassinations, and it's interesting that some folks garnered laughs with just an appearance.  I would have thot that this was something reserved mostly for me, but, my two appearances in the first five minutes of the movie (all I've seen) didn't appear to draw much negative attention from the audience at CE.

On the Dwayne appearances; I almost forgot about the 'tricky' notifications (regarding filming taking place) that were put up in the form of notices, both at Funspot 2005, and in Florida.  I have been told by someone who consulted a lawyer that such notices are perfectly legal, and allow filmers to use any and all footage of people captured in those locations.  So, all footage shown from these two spots is cleared, whether waivers were signed or not.

Yes, it was related to a lot of us by the crew that they were doing a story on gamers and their exploits, as far as the pursuit of records.  I think that the Florida event was really telling, however, Pat, as it gathered together a lot of gamers who were competing on hotly contested titles.  There was (of course) Billy vs. Steve, even tho Billy didn't show up and play (which was his right, tho I would have enjoyed him taking an afternoon to try out a few games, no matter how 'out of practice' he was), plus Don vs. Steve S. on Joust, Kelly vs. Doris on Q*bert, you Pat (in a roundabout way) vs. Don on Frogger, Dwayne vs. Don on Dig Dug, Jason vs. Shawn Cram on Zookeeper, Gary vs. Perry (absent) on Galaxian, and Abdner vs. Chris Ayra (who wasn't there) on Ms. Pac.  And, I frankly think this was the tack that was being pursued from the beginning - rivalries.  And, that's perfectly OK.  I don't even care if the crew knew that, and told us it was a general view of gaming.  Frankly, if they let on about the rivalry angle, I'm not sure they would have gotten as accurate a result from the gamers, in both the interviews, and in the way they played.  Hey, some people fold under 'pressure', and if they know the focus is on the rivalry, the result might not be as good as if they think they're just part of one big story.  Just my two cents...

Well, thanks for not only the first (I think) gamer review of TKoK, Pat, but you were also there to see how a lot of it was done, and that makes your write-up a great insider's viewpoint, in addition.

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« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2007, 01:43:06 AM »

Tim Sczerby, The forgotten Donkey Kong Champion - Some Links
More like "Tim Sczerby, The ignored Donkey Kong Champion" from what I can tell.  Thanks for the links Paul, but they don't really shed any new light on whether Tim's score should have been ignored.  If anything they show a bit of evidence that the score wasn't "consistently disputed" since none of the links mention the score being disputed.  From the links I posted before, it was clearly a video tape submission.  So who's disputed the score and what were their grounds for disputing it?  Does anyone here know anybody that disputed this score and why?  I've been fairly active in the classic gaming online community since 2002 and never heard of the score being disputed.

They then claim "The experts on the subject of Donkey Kong, especially Brian Kuh, always referred to Billy Mitchell as the reigning champion and maintained that his unrivaled skill put him on top of the record holder chart."  This seems really weak to me.  Who are the other experts?  Did they ask anybody at Twin Galaxies? Can somebody ask Brian for the scoop on this since it sounds to me like their saying, "Well, Brian told us Billy was the record holder, so it's Brian's fault if we screwed up and it was really Tim.  But it wasn't.  Because somebody told us so.  You can't expect us to do our own research, time is money!"   Finding out about Tim later wasn't going to stop them from keeping the story line they'd decided on.  Tim was an inconvenient truth, so he was ignored.  I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong on this, but that's my gut.

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« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2007, 02:27:45 AM »

Not to diverge, but, something that never really occurred to me was said to me by the same source that relayed the attempted monitor debacle.  He said that both playing the tape, and the offer, was in kind of poor taste, as it seemed like it was an attempt to take the limelight away from Steve's record.  Since I don't care much for DK, the thot never crossed my mind, but, the more I've thot about it since then, the more I agree that it was actually kind of poor; at the very least, it was poor in how it was timed.  And, we must note, the same thing has happened again recently, timing-wise; a tape with a higher score than Steve's is revealed after Steve's made a mark, and then a $10K offer for beating the revealed score is made.  Hmmmm... history repeats itself.
Speaking of this sort of questionable timing, am I the only one that has noticed the current top two headlines at Twin Galaxies?

1) Tyeson's Wish Fulfilled by Billy Mitchell and Others - Billy Mitchell joins Make-A-Wish Foundation in honoring Sick Youth
2) Steve Wiebe Scores 695,500 in Austin - Fatigue sets in as he tries to break Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 Mark

I'm sure (ok hope) this is coincidence and has nothing to do with politics or the ongoing release of King of Kong, but it seems odd.  On the main TG page the leading headlines that anybody going there for the first time will be sure to look at pretty much say "Billy Mitchell fulfills the wishes of sick kids" and "Steve Wiebe can't even get anywhere close to Billy's high score".

-George

PS - I think it's great that Billy took the time to visit Tyeson, and give him a certificate and his Namco jacket.

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« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2007, 03:23:49 AM »

Hi Mark:

     You said (and I quote)..."As a hilarious aside, when Billy and Steve had their short conversation, I had Billy sign my book"...doesn't this contradict the film where Steve's wife is bawling about how he won't even show/drive ten miles ?

     As for your recollection of the events at Funspot 2005 regarding the taping...that's not exactly what happened.

     The tape was shown as Part One in a large Sun Valley cabin to a group of perhaps thrity people. This was the scene where Todd is shown playing "Ladybug", by the way. We watched approx a third of the tape. Part Two was shown in my own cabin the following night. Far less people (approx 12) watched it, including Josh and his camera crew. Part Three, logically, would be shown the next night, which was the last evening at FS.

     Steve showed up unexpectedly AFTER Part One was already seen, and obviously two full business days at least after the tape was sent. Bill did this performance before that...though the exact date I was never privvy to...therefore with NO prior knowledge that Steve was coming, Bill made and sent a tape and gave Brian Kuh instructions beforehand that once the tape arrives to show the tape in thirds.

     The exact chronology is that the competition lasted FOUR (4) days, and I will refer to the first day of competition as "Day One" and the last as "Day Four". This is my recollection...which I think is correct but would appreciate anyone directly involved (Bill, Brian) to correct me if I made a mistake.

PRE-COMPETITION - we were shown the day BEFORE the competition began the tape that Bill handed to Doris Self. It was the wrong tape. Turned out to have wrestling footage on it or something like that. A second tape was scheduled to arrive via overnight express mail to the airport and picked up by an attending gamer on "Day One", someone Bill trusts, and in this case it happened to be a very respected attending gamer other than Brian Kuh.

DAY ONE (1) - the tape arrives at the airport and is brought to Brian Kuh. In the evening, at a large Sun Valley cabin, an estimated thirty (30) of us watched the first third of this tape. It was clear that Brian was instructed to show this in thirds. Seeing how the pre-competition night was a bust, this was in effect the first day we could watch the tape.

DAY TWO (2) - we could not watch the second tape at the larger cabin as it turns out, so approx twelve (12) of us watched Part Two in my own cabin, inclusive of videographer Josh and his camera crew who were allowed to watch this segment. As he did the night before, Brian cut at the 2/3 mark. Steve, if I remember correctly, arrived unexpectedly on Saturday. We were hoping he would show but did not know if he would or would not.

DAY THREE (3) - apparently, Brian was gung-ho about showing the tape at Funspot, initially wanting to play the tape on a TV set atop the actual DK machine on premise. This was NOT a good idea, in my opinion, and management shut it down rightfully so. I attribute this to irrational exhuberance, and at the very least it seemed very tacky to do so, to put it mildly. Brian's second alternative, also to show on premise at the "Back'n'Time" table of Mike Stulir, was similiarly given an appropriate thumbs-down. Somewhere in the course of the morning to late afternoon a decision was made to set it up in the back area by the pins at the edge of the staircase nestled between the "Spy Hunter" and the "Space Harrier" machines.

     Steve had arrived yesterday and I can't remember whether he did his 985K on Day Two (his first day and when Brian showed Part Two in the cabin) or Day Three. I'm sure that others are very clear on this one even if I have forgotten that simple fact.

     Anyway, approx thirty or more people watched as "Part Three" was shown in the back and as it played thru completion. Walter announced beforehand that if (A) anyone on premise broke the score on this tape before competition-end they would earn $10K, and (B) if anyone on premise did a "perfect pacman" they would earn $1K. Who are we kidding...unless a miracle happened, we knew who was a contender for each, but ten thousand dollars was being offered. Does it REALLY matter that logically Steve was the ONLY person who had a snowball's chance of doing that for DK ? That is NO different than if Donald Hayes offered $250 if anyone could get 250K on "Super Cobra" before competition end. Hmmm...who besides Donald would have a snowball's chance at doing that ? I wonder.

     So these are the facts as I recollect them. Now, to correspond these facts to the KoK film...

FACT ONE (1) - to pull this off, Bill needed to at the very least hand "Tape One" to Doris Self two (2) entire business days prior to the competition as we attempted to watch this before that point. Doris is shown in the KoK movie accepting the tape. Unless Bill did that tape same day, he would have done the taping at least one or more days prior to that point. Keep in mind that the movie shows this hand-off to Doris in an outside, daylight environment giving more credence to my assertion that this score was taped before that day had occurred.

FACT TWO (2) - the movie suggests that this was all pre-orchestrated to coincide with Steve's arrival. The movie further insinuates that Steve called Bill via cellphone to let him know that he is showing up. You hear a voice message of Bill's, which is really his voice message when he does not pick up the phone, but you cannot prove that this was actually Steve dialing that very number. This was an over-dub. He could have filmed that scene months before or after that compeition, added it in, and you would not even know the difference !!

FACT THREE (3) - at the time, Bill showed up at Funspot for 1999 thru 2002 inclusive, and intentionally skipped 2003 and 2004. He never, ever said that he would show up for 2005, not in the forums, not to any gamer. He did not commit at all, and odds were he would not show period. He has, in fact, not shown for 2006 and 2007, for that matter, and is quite consistent in this. The film makers would suggest that Bill intentionally avoided the competition. Then let me tell you this. First, if he intended to show, why would he be filmed at the airport...by these very same film makers, handing Doris a tape to bring that he very well could have brought to the event by hmself ?? I ask you, why ??

     Answer...he was not going to attend. Further, these film-makers, who clearly knew that Steve was going to be there (as the film indicates since they are filming Steve prior to Steve's leaving the event, and as they are in the FS parking lot filming Steve getting out of his car and heading to the arcade. So, logically, if they filmed Bill prior to this handing a tape to Doris, do you not think that they would have told this to Steve ? Pu-leaze !! Of COURSE they knew Bill was not going to show !! Anyone with common sense can see this.

FACT FOUR (4) - Bill gave Brian a tape to showcase over three (3) days time. Since we blew the first evening pre-event, and as the event if logically four days and three nights, night three of which is the day before the event ends, then night three just happened to be the night after Steve had already showed up on Day Two which was the showing of Part Two of the tape in my cabin. It's just the timing of how it worked out.

CONCLUSION - Bill had no prior knowledge of Steve showing up. However, the film makers DID have knowledge that Bill was taking actions which common sense would suggest that he was NOT going to show. They were with Steve when he left his home for FS, and when he arrived in the FS parking lot, according to video footage in the "current incarnation" (*) of KoK that I saw last week. I cannot possibly believe that in all that time, they intentionally withheld this filming of Bill/Doris from Steve given everything that we already know. And I firmly believe that the filming of Steve calling Bill on the cell phone to say he is coming to FS was "hokey".

(*) - and one more thing, as Mark suggests on this very forum, this seems to be an ever-changing product. Who the heck knows how many incarnations it has gone thru since initial release. I am willing to bet that as every tidbit punching holes into their story line is revealed that the story itself slightly changes (i.e. some more slick editting is done). And you know, considering an associate of this project involved and how this very same thing happened to him (i.e. as holes are punched into his claim then the facts are revised to eliminate these holes), I am not a bit surprised. Birds of a feather, after all.

Robert

     

     
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« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2007, 02:29:39 PM »

CHARACTER ASSASSINATION

1st - A vicious personal verbal attack, especially one intended to destroy or damage a public figure's reputation.
2nd - The expression of injurious, malicious statements about someone.
SOURCE - http://www.answers.com/topic/character-assassination

3rd - (culled from Wikipedia) Character assassination is an intentional attempt to influence the portrayal or reputation of a particular person, whether living or a historical personage, in such a way as to cause others to develop an extremely negative, unethical or unappealing perception of him or her. By its nature, it involves deliberate exaggeration or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. For living individuals, this can cause the target to be rejected by his or her community, family, or members of his or her living or work environment. Such acts are typically very difficult to reverse or rectify, therefore the process is likened to a literal assassination of a human life. The damage sustained can be life-long and more, or for historical personages, last for many centuries after their death.

In practice, character assassination usually consists of the spreading of rumors and deliberate misinformation on topics relating to one's morals, integrity, and reputation.

In politics, perhaps the most common form of character assassination is the spread of allegations that a candidate is a liar. Other common themes may include allegations that the candidate is a bad or unpopular member of his family, has a bad relationship with his spouse or children, is disrespected by his former co-workers, or routinely engages in disturbing, socially unacceptable behavior, such as sexual deviancy.

4th - a deliberate and sustained attack on somebody's reputation
SOURCE - http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861687409/character_assassination.html

DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER

5th - DEFAMATION - An act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Such defamation is couched in 'defamatory language'. Libel and slander are defamation.
SOURCE - http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d021.htm


CONCLUSION - based on the above, I would say without a doubt that the KoK production DOES indeed contain enough proof that both character assassination and defamation of character exists as evidenced by select statements and allegations made against Bill Mitchell, Perry Rodgers and Brian Kuh. No amount of re-editting will be able to change this...not without completely removing probably 50% or more of the film.

     As the old TV musical expression goes, Dum-Dee-Dum-Dum !!
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2007, 03:36:31 AM »

Part of the King of Kong references have jumped to a new
thread called: Timothy Sczerby speaks, at the Mailbag link below:

http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,291.msg1798.html#msg1798

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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2007, 04:09:19 AM »

How come Steve Weibe isn't posting here?  He and his scores have always been welcomed here.  Hell, MDA was(as he always is to gamers) quick to come to his defense, by overlooking the 'Roy' connection, and just go by his performance.  I think it's time for him to give us his side.  I also wonder why Billy doesn't ever post?  I'm sure both of them have probably read these forums and others.
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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2007, 04:43:36 AM »

Hi Welby:

     Bill has only once to my knowledge ever "posted" a message to the forums, and I am not sure if it was even on the TG forum. On his behalf years back I posted an open message to Roy that basically said something like do not call the restaurant, do not call the home, do not call...period. That was after the infamous threat that Roy made (which he of course denies), but this goes to show you that Bill doesn't post, regardless of the forum, unless an extreme circumstance presented itself. I have to assess that even in the face of all this KoK stuff, what Roy did far exceeded that in terms of extreme circumstances.

     I don't blame Bill for not posting. He tends to let his scores and actions speak for themselves such as the recent "Make-a-Wish" contribution he secured as a pre-requisite for appearing at the Florida convention where he established 1.05M this past month

     As for Steve Wiebe, him I cannot speak for but I can at least provide an opinion. I do not believe that Steve will write any off-the-cuff responses to any DK-related questions at this phase. There will be those who will downplay the significance of this, but it seems to me that anything he says in the forums could and will probably be compared to any previous statement(s) he made in the forums or the film, so I would not be a bit surprised if Steve writes only after it had been "checked" by those who he now associates with.

     If true, then that is pretty sad indeed that a gamer would be willingly unable to speak on their own behalf without consultation first. Case in point is that the three KoK Q&A sessions that were cancelled mysteriously all had Brian Kuh present. Brian, unlike the average viewerm would have asked on-target questions from which there was no answer other than a black or white one. That supports my theory that Steve, now, will not risk an off-the-cuff response to anything that is DK or even KoK, and possibly Roy, related.

     Someone can "spin" all they want why Steve is not posting here just like a reason was spun why Scott Rubin no longer posts. Hard questions were asked of him, to which he did not respond to a single one (there were nine at last count), and someone else answering by proxy just doesn't cut it. So, no more Scott. Now, Steve at least is a player so unlike Scott he is familiar with the subject matter. Still, I have a personal feeling and opinion that he will most likely refrain from providing any details in a post that delve into areas not already covered in the KoK film or that differ from what he previously stated on the forums...except for stating the obvious such as his scores at the end of every death in the 1.049M game and so forth, where there is no question as to the accuracy of such known facts.

     Now, while this opinion of mine may have the appearance and flavour of someone who has a gripe against Steve, it actually isn't. I for one would like to see this person provide some candid responses in a non-controlled environment. I've already dealt with My Sunshine this past Jan/Feb along with Walter and the ultra-biased AGN host and that ended with an obviously pre-planned stunt launched at the expense of Tony Temple. It would be nice, for one, to see and hear these gamers speaking for themselves without cue cards, references or "handlers" nearby to tell them what they can and cannot say, and when the interview is over or not even going to begin as is the case with the three KoK Q&A sessions that were abruptly cancelled.

     As for Bill, he does indeed read the forums, but usually key information we send to him as a professional courtesy and he checks out the links in his own free time or discusses them with us via E-MAIL or over the phone, as is his right to do so.

     Keep in mind, many golden era gamers rarely post, or posted, on the TG forums. Take Chris Ayra. He stopped posting after awhile and only would if the discussion was of interest to him, and usually related to a title he enjoyed playing. And the gamers who came back from the "Life Reunion" shoot, they also do not post now nor typically posted before. So Steve and Bill are not the only ones who are not posting. It's not unusual, when you think about it. Mark Longridge stopped cold a few years back...he pretty much was tired with the hobby and the pressures associated with being the MAME referee. I can't blame him as I did that myself for about two years.

     In closing, these are just my opinions, as I stated earlier.

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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2007, 11:08:38 AM »

How does the commercial aspect of KoK work? Are there royalty payments from the film for the likes of Steve and Bill?

Is Steve likely to make any money on the back of the film?

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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2007, 02:04:18 PM »

This is the sort of misguided conversation that is going on out there:

http://www.allgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20680

What makes these people think that that "video" was anything to do with CAG forums or Twin Galaxies? The first assumption appears to be to blame Billy or TG.

I find it rather ironic that Scot Rubin is annoyed that a piece of film has been manipulated to show something that didn't happen.

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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2007, 10:41:31 PM »

Have Steve Wiebe and/or Billy Mitchell posted to the forums boards before - A Reply:

RTM:
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Bill has only once to my knowledge ever "posted" a message to the forums, and I am not sure if it was even on the TG forum.

RTM:
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On his behalf years back I posted an open message to Roy that basically said
something like do not call the restaurant...

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Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:32 pm    Post subject: To Roy Shildt
To Roy Shildt
"Do not call me at any of my restaurants. Do not call me at my office..."
http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2008&sid=d3b954ed9733028e5a0e63f9454934f0




THE PERFECT MAN
How Billy Mitchell became a video-game superstar and achieved Pac-Man bliss.

by  DAVID RAMSEY

"I’ve been up late and posted something on a message board at four in
 the morning, and literally one minute later, two or three guys locked
 away in the basement have posted a response.” Billy Mitchell
http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/content.cfm?ArticleID=58

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Unbelievable!!! WR DVD on EBAY! PAGE 5 "Donkey Kong DVD 1,006,600"

"For the record, my board is a legitimate board, bought from a legitimate
 vendor, and was tested as perfect by this vendor. Doesn't the vendor have
 a right to check out the board first as a courtesy to them? After all, their
 reputation is at stake as well, and they might want to test it before a different
 person tests it. Seems reasonable to me." Steve Wiebe
http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24476&highlight=#24476

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I think both Steve Wiebe and Billy Mitchell will make their own statements when the
time is right for them.

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« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2007, 03:55:39 AM »

Speaking of this sort of questionable timing, am I the only one that has noticed the current top two headlines at Twin Galaxies?

1) Tyeson's Wish Fulfilled by Billy Mitchell and Others - Billy Mitchell joins Make-A-Wish Foundation in honoring Sick Youth
2) Steve Wiebe Scores 695,500 in Austin - Fatigue sets in as he tries to break Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 Mark

I'm sure (ok hope) this is coincidence and has nothing to do with politics or the ongoing release of King of Kong, but it seems odd.  On the main TG page the leading headlines that anybody going there for the first time will be sure to look at pretty much say "Billy Mitchell fulfills the wishes of sick kids" and "Steve Wiebe can't even get anywhere close to Billy's high score".
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-George 

Well, I noticed also.
About the low score of Steve Wiebe it does't prove anything, too many factors and few serenity ...

Really, I thought similar stories could happen only in Italy and instead ...
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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2007, 06:17:49 AM »

Originally From George Strain on August 25, 2007, 10:27:45 PM
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Speaking of this sort of questionable timing, am I the only one that has noticed the current top two headlines at Twin Galaxies?

1) Tyeson's Wish Fulfilled by Billy Mitchell and Others - Billy Mitchell joins Make-A-Wish Foundation in honoring Sick Youth
2) Steve Wiebe Scores 695,500 in Austin - Fatigue sets in as he tries to break Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 Mark

The timing aspect of these two events were very close to each other in proximity:

April 21, 2007 is the Ultimate Game Room festivities date for Tyeson Owenby,
Make A Wish Recipient, who has Eagle Barrett's Syndrome.
http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=19&id=1459

August 19, 2007 is the date of the Steve Wiebe Alamo Drafthouse Cinema score
of 695,500 done in Austin, TX. in which there was a bit of confusion as a video
was put on YouTube that presented the score as if it had beat Billy Mitchell's
1,050,200 world record score, in which it actually had not.

Walter Day of Twin Galaxies verifies the Donkey Kong Boardset at the Alamo Drafthouse


From the promoter:
THE KING OF KONG HIMSELF - STEVE WIEBE - LIVE AUGUST 19, 2007
http://www.austin360.com/event/events2/etc/userEventDisplay.jspd?eventStatus=Approved&eventid=136725

Here is the YouTube video which had mislead many into thinking Steve Wiebe
had broken Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 world record score.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIUbIQ6pPI

Here is the original text that went with the YouTube Video:

"Video Game champion Steve Wiebe visits the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema for two screenings of The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. It is a documentary about himself battling fellow video game champion Billy Mitchell for the official highest ranking score on Donkey Kong. While Steve was at the theater, he also decided to break the world record on Donkey Kong and once again defeat Billy Mitchell. "
http://texasgeektv.vox.com/library/post/tgtv003-the-king-of-kong.html

Only later, there was a re-traction of sorts which read the following:
"Unfortunately for Steve, that night his highest score was 695,500 points. For the night of
 August 19, 2007, the world record to beat was 1,050,100 points as previously set by
 Billy Mitchell just weeks before."

Another Misleading Web-site with the Alamo Video:

The King Of Kong Reclaims Title

By Rafe Telsch: 2007-08-20 18:28:31 
"After the machine was checked out by Day and the Twin Galaxies officials, Wiebe began to play, 
 and took back his title."
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-King-Of-Kong-Reclaims-Title-6118.html

Here is my response reporting that Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 score was 'not' beat
at the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema by Steve Wiebe, dispelling this YouTube rumor
of a new world record.

 King of Kong movie
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2007, 02:25:05 PM

"Walter Day verified the Steve Wiebe Donkey Kong score of 695,500 played on
 8/19/2007 at the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema which was 'not' a world record."
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,174.msg1756.html#msg1756

I'm sure the Steve Wiebe Austin, TX world record attempt headline on the
Twin Galaxies main page was to further 'dispel' the YouTube rumors regarding
a new world record.

"erroneous new report has circulated the Internet that claims he (Steve Wiebe)
 successfully achieved a new world record"
http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=19&id=1488

Below is an interview with Steve Wiebe at the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema:

Published on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 8:13pm 
Quint challenges Steve Wiebe to a back and forth! Wiebe scores points for talking
KING OF KONG and the feature remake!!!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33801

Ryan Wiebe plays a Donkey Kong Tune as a tribute to his brother, Steve Wiebe:

Chimpatized
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X7iQ1CA0Rqo&mode=related&search=

Man's love for Kong attracts film
By Zach Ernst

"Not since 'American Movie' or 'Trekkies' has a film so perfectly captured a subculture
  and its peculiar idiosyncrasies like "The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters."
http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2007/08/24/LifeArts/Mans-Love.For.Kong.Attracts.Film-2936123.shtml

Steve Wiebe's 1,049,100 score is the top score on the TG Leaderboard, and Billy Mitchell's
1,050,200 score is going through an extensive review process and that is why it is not
yet showing on the TG Leaderboard, however Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 is considered the
score to beat. Billy Mitchell's 1,047,200 score is shown in second place on the TG leaderboard
at this time.

TG Learderboard:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3852&vi=22

Man (Billy Mitchell) Shatters Donkey Kong World Record Exactly 25 Years After First Setting
It in 1982: July 13, 2007, 1,050,200 Verified by Senior referee Todd Rogers
http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=19&id=1465
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« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2007, 11:03:07 AM »

hmm, for steve's recent 695k game....what pace was he on  if he had reached the kill?

ie. compare with his 1+ million game at that same level...

that would be interesting to note how much he was point pressing up to that point.
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« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2007, 01:26:05 PM »

From the Twin Galaxies Press Release at TG:

Steve Wiebe Scores 695,500 in Austin, TX on August 19, 2007
Fatigue sets in as he tries to break Billy Mitchell's 1,050,200 Mark

"Wiebe's efforts looked promising as he reached nearly 500,000 points on his first man.
 However, because of growing fatigue, Wiebe lost two lives in fast succession as he neared
 the 690,000 mark." Walter Day, Twin Galaxies

"The game took well over an hour, ending very late in the night"
Walter Day, Twin Galaxies

"Steve Wiebe's attempt was an officially sanctioned performance conducted under
 the strict supervision of the Twin Galaxies Intergalactic Scoreboard."
Walter Day, Twin Galaxies

http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=19&id=1488

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